The last time I checked, George Shultz and Jim Baker were both Reagan Republicans. And they certainly were not shy about their views at the White House meetings I attended in those days. For his part, Henry Kissinger led a special commission for Reagan, working closely with my former boss, the "Reaganaut" Fred Ikle. George Shultz was also an early, and strong, supporter of George W. Bush. And both Henry Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft advised the Governor of Texas as he was on the road to winning the Presidency (I write as an eyewitness on that score). Moreover, many of the people about whom Jacob Heilbrunn waxes nostalgic, the Joe Alsop crowd, would have had little time for Kissinger in particular -- something about his background perhaps, or, just maybe, the accent.

And, what, exactly, was wrong with Reagan's muscular approach to foreign policy? Did it not convince Gorbachev that the Cold War was futile? Did it not deter Muammar Qaddafi after the Gulf of Sidra operation? Did it not convince the Ayatollahs to remain quiescent? Reagan was no neo-con; he may have had Richard Perle on his team, but Baker, and Shultz were both far more senior. And on certain key issues -- including relations with the Soviets, Reagan sided consistently with the pragmatists.

As it happens, quite a few moderate Republicans have problems with the START Treaty -- in particular, its not-too-muffled hints about a potential end to the American missile defense program. The Russians, notably Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, have unilaterally stated that this is the case, and while the administration refutes their assertion -- the Treaty would not otherwise have a hope of winning Senate approval -- it only does so sotto voce.

Oh, and one more item for Mr. Heilbrunn to consider: if he were to bother to look around on Capitol Hill in particular, he would find many young Republicans, twenty- and thirty- somethings, who are not at all committed to the kind of international noblesse oblige that Woodrow Wilson shared with Rudyard Kipling, and instead simply feel strongly about what they perceive as the erosion of our national security posture. Were I their age, I would certainly count myself among them.

TONY AVELAR/AFP/Getty Images

 

HARIPRASAD

9:55 PM ET

July 20, 2010

Which Gulf of Sidra?

There were two Gulf of Sidra incidents. Which one are you referring to? Also, I believe that the fact that some American aircraft shot down Libyan aircraft enough to deter Qaddafi ridiculous. After all, Reagan had already bombed Libya once while he was in power. All that did was lead Qaddafi to retaliate with the bombing Pam Am Flight 103 and the hijacking of Pam Am Flight 73. So I don't think that Reagan's muscular approach solved the problem, there has to have been other factors.

 

BUFFALO09

10:03 PM ET

July 20, 2010

Working Class Posturing Over Human Rights?

Yo Lou,

Is the working class being forced to volunteer to fight these wars? Maybe the American public should be able to pick and choose which conflicts they decide to participate towards earning their free education.....??

Multiple members of my extended family have participated in a conflict from a historical perspective, and yes they were all "working class" folks who did not show empathy for the "entitlement babies"such as yourself and chose to focus on "what really is" instead of the fabricated star trek utopia of the "have and have not's".

Your verbage would have an individual believe that a draft is on going in America. Is the United States Military currently an all "volunteer" force? Are they able to pick and choose which conflicts they feel obligated to contribute towards? Well, is there a draft going on??? Maybe the pro-war youth feel sympathy for the women and children of Afghanistan and have chosen this theatre as a forum to stand for human rights??? It requires consideration.
The U.S. is screwed either way if they stay or go if you want to be intellectually honest about this topic as the excessive corruption and human rights abuses will be at an all time high once the working class decides to leave, but the situation currently is a heavy burden and task for troops currently on the ground. The double edged sword of Afghanistan is not a popular topic as engaging in this type of discussion is not politically convenient for ideologues from both the right and left.

Is the working class being forced to fight in any theatres across the globe? Lou??

May I suggest thinking before speaking.......

 

ITONLYSTANDSTOREASON

11:47 PM ET

July 20, 2010

Hollywood muscles

Ah yes, "Reagan's muscular approach to foreign policy": selling missle components to Iran, support Saddam while he was gassing the Kurds, invading harmless little Granada, retreating from Beruit.

I presume that by missile defense you refer to the expensive and ineffective Star Wars project on which we've wasted a few hundred billion dollars yet can't reliably hit an ICBM which isn't even using counter-measures? It's not part of our national security system, it's a make-work program for the aerospace division of the military-industrial complex.

Do we have a national security problem with Canada? With Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Brazil, South Africa? It seems that those international relations that seem to require the force of arms to manage represent the weaknesses of our national security system, not the strong points. Let's think a little less about weapons systems and a little more about how to secure alternative ways of conflict resolution.

But some young Republicans, and older ones too, look first to the guns.

 

ALMANZOR

1:15 AM ET

July 21, 2010

Just how poor or rich are they really?

This discussion really has nothing to do with the topic of this article, but it is definitely worth having. Are the upper and middle classes serving in the military?

Here are two links which offer diverging viewpoints, both of which follow the institutions' political biases. The first, an article from the New York Times, unsurprisingly claims that the majority of servicemen and women come from the working class. The article is rather dated, though, as it came out in '03. The second, a study conducted by the Heritage Foundation, maintains that a good deal of the military, about 50%, actually comes from the upper and middle classes of American society. This might be the most surprising quote: "Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 percent came from the wealthiest quintile."

Some of the claims made on the Heritage website are a bit misleading, which is analyzed by Stephen Dubner, co-author of the book Freakonomics, in the third link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/30/international/worldspecial/30DEMO.html?scp=2&sq=military%20middle%20class&st=cse&pagewanted=6

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/08/Who-Serves-in-the-US-Military-The-Demographics-of-Enlisted-Troops-and-Officers

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/?scp=4&sq=military%20middle%20class&st=cse

Lou, do you really think that many US servicemen enlist in order to ensure the human rights of Afghans and Iraqis? I find that unlikely, considering that most Americans couldn't find either country on a map. I would say that it's a good bet that there are two principal motivators: patriotism or self-interest. Neither of those motivations have anything to do with helping people no one here really gives a damn about. And why should we? They certainly don't care about us. An even more worrisome thought would be that some of them wished to do Afghans or Iraqis some harm, considering that a great deal of this country incorrectly thought that Iraq was involved in 9/11 when we invaded them, whereas the Taliban actually was, since they shielded bin Laden while al Qaeda planned the attacks, and continue to do so today.

 

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6:29 PM ET

July 21, 2010

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