Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 12:18 PM

A New
York Times analysis
piece by Peter Baker and Rod Nordland raises two intriguing questions, one
about the politics of Iraq and the other about our ability to learn from
previous mistakes.
The gist of the Baker/Nordland article is that Obama is doubling down on the
rigid Iraqi withdrawal timeline even though the assumptions on which the
timeline was based have proven overly optimistic. Respected Iraq hands -- some
on the record and, more ominously for Obama, some insiders on a
not-for-attribution basis -- told the reporters that the political delays in
Baghdad should be accompanied with a commensurate delay in the withdrawal
schedule.
The original timeline was supposedly dictated by the Iraqi election clock:
whatever newly elected Iraqi government took power would need the reassurance
of a sizable U.S. combat troop presence for some period of time (months, not
weeks) to ensure a smooth transition. On the original political calendar, an
August deadline for completing the withdrawal seemed ambitious but doable. The
Iraqis are now well off the original political calendar, however, and it now
seems likely that by the time of the August deadline there will be no new
government seated, or at best one only seated for a few weeks.
The article dangles tantalizingly the possibility that it is the American
political calendar that is dictating the timeline now: "... with his liberal
base angry at the Afghan troop buildup, any delay of the Iraq drawdown could
provoke more consternation on the left." It is hard to predict where
August will fall in the Iraqi political trajectory, but it is a rock-solid
certainty that August comes comfortably before the U.S. midterm election. The
reporters are right that letting the August deadline slide could pose an enormous
political headache for an administration already struggling to mobilize its
base when the national mood favors the Republicans. But a failure to heed the
situation on the ground in Iraq would, I suspect, pose much greater headaches
down the road for the administration so I fervently hope that the U.S. midterm
elections are not dictating the timeline.
Even without domestic politics confounding the calculation, the strategic
challenge would be vexing. One of the hardest things to do in war is to
ascertain when developments on the ground require a change in plans and when
the plan is still viable despite some setbacks. The Bush administration did not
always get this right. It came under withering and justifiable criticism for
being slow to adjust to Iraqi realities in the months after the invasion. Even
though the unfolding events revealed that several of the assumptions of the
original Phase IV plan had been overly optimistic, critics charged that
Secretary Rumsfeld stuck with the original military plan.
The Obama administration
is now facing its own version of that very same strategic challenge. Even the
way the current internal debate is reported is eerily reminiscent of the
conventional critique of the first year of the Iraq war:
Two former officials who worked on Iraq policy in the Obama administration said that after it became clear how late the elections would be, Gen. Ray Odierno, the commander in Iraq, wanted to keep 3,000 to 5,000 combat troops in northern Iraq after the Aug. 31 deadline. But the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter, said it was clear that the White House did not want any combat units to remain."
Of course, the article also includes on-the-record denials that Odierno wanted
those extra troops and notes that Odierno recently gave the timeline a fairly
strong endorsement. And, lest there be any doubt, the president's foreign
policy speechwriter confidently stated, "We see no indications now that our
planning needs to be adjusted..."
Yet officials gave similar assessments during the confusing summer of 2003 only
to walk them back over the next several years. Given the stakes in Iraq, we
should all hope that the Obama team's assessments prove more durable.
I'm afraid that domestic politics is playing a huge part in the President's decision to stick with the August deadline. First off, his party is suffering in the polls at home for a variety of reasons (although polls can be misleading). Secondly, the surge in Afghanistan prompted sharp criticism from those on the left that usually give President Obama the benefit of the doubt, which is potentially catastrophic for Democratic Party unity in the future. Sticking with the troop drawdown this summer may be meant to appease those in the Democratic Party who are extremely upset with the Presidents Afghan policy.
It would also look bad from a personal perspective if President Obama sporadically switched his campaign pledge to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraqi soil. Unfortunately, this is not how you conduct policy in a time of war.
After seven weeks of political deadlock between Allawi and Maliki, and with no signs of the smaller parties joining in anytime soon, it seems like common sense to extend the U.S. mandate. Keeping with the scheduled drawdown just as Iraq's leaders are engulfed in political turmoil is completely contradictory to America's long-term interests. The election was a remarkable success, but there is still no government to show for it.
Secretary Clinton and Ambassador Hill are getting antsy over the delay, but for some reason, the administration is still intent on keeping with its original plan.
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Things will NEVER get better if the Occupier stays
Things will NEVER get better in Iraq if the Occupier half-beast pillaging army stays.
NEVER.
Now a question for the American simpletons: Who is the Occupier and who is the Occupied in Iraq?
Now the same question again regarding the prime mover of all terrorism in Arabia viz. Israel's context: Who is the Occupier and who is the Occupied in Palestine?
Shall I re-ask the question regarding Afghanistan, Chechnya and Kashmir?
Its rude to refer to americans as simpletons, also the americans are an occupying power in afghanistan, however they are supported by the majority of afghans who see the war as being justified so comparing it with other occupations is wrong.
DMOLONEY: Keep spinning your tales from Pentagon or
DMOLONEY: Keep spinning your tales from Pentagon or another Christian Church in West Virginia or Michigan.
NOBODY supports American Occupation of any country.
Even the Japanese are tired of your Occupation under a different name. They are throwing you off the Okinawa.
Lal Qila if you were interested in the facts you would realise that yes most afghans do believe that the war was justified, do believe that the US should not pull out yet, do not support attacks against the US and believe that the situation is better now than it was under the Taliban whom only have minuscule support.
This was shown by numerous polls such as the ones from d3 systems and others
But alas your views are driven by an irrational anti-american hatred, sadly you cannot admit this so you hide behind the argument that you are speaking out on behalf of the afghans .
This as we see is false, most afghans do not share you views, but due to the fact that you are driven more by what you hate (america) you are willing to cause excess pain and misery onto those whom you claim to "care" about (afghans)
Im Irish by the way not american
Afghans hate US backed war lords
Bio
Rahimullah Yusufzai is a leading Pakistani journalist, and a senior editor and Peshawar bureau chief with The News International, an English newspaper from Pakistan. Rahimullah has served as a correspondent for Time Magazine, BBC World Service, BBC Pashto, BBC Urdu, Geo-TV, and ABC News. Mr. Yousufzai has interviewed Usama bin Ladin, Mullah Omar, and a range of other militants across the tribal areas of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Rahimullah joins us from Pakistan
Transcript
PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome back to The Real News Network. I'm Paul Jay in Washington. Joining us again from Peshawar, Pakistan, is Rahimullah Yusufzai. He's a leading Pakistan journalist and a senior editor and bureau chief of News International in Peshawar, and he's one of the handful of journalists who's interviewed Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden. Thanks for joining us again.
RAHIMULLAH YUSUFZAI, JOURNALIST: Thank you.
JAY: The battle that's taking place in the town of Marja, many people have said that this is strategically not so significant, and that it's more of a propaganda event for American public opinion. Do you think this is true? And if so, why are they doing this?
YUSUFZAI: I think the US government is desperate for some victory, even if it is a victory which will not be there in the real sense. You know, they have been losing ground in Afghanistan. They have been actually persuading their NATO allies to send more soldiers to Afghanistan. They have been embarrassed by the corruption of the Afghan government. They have been embarrassed by the rise in poppy cultivation and drug trafficking in Afghanistan under their watch. They were also embarrassed when there was fraud in the elections in Afghanistan. So they need some breathing space, they need some victories, and that's why they're using such a huge force—15,000 troops—fighting only about 400 to 1,000 Taliban guerrilla fighters in a small area in Marja, in Helmand. Helmand is a huge province—13 districts. Three of those districts are being held by Taliban, and Marja was the fourth one. So they want to capture Marja with a huge force. There has been no real fighting in that area. The only thing which is holding the advance of the US and NATO forces are the landmines. That's why their advance has been slowed down. Otherwise, Taliban actually have retreated. They're just firing rockets, laying landmines, and occasionally using sniper fire to attack the advancing US-led NATO forces.
JAY: Now, if the United States actually carries out its plan, they capture Marja and they do real economic development, which they claim this is what's going to follow, can this start to change the game there or not?
YUSUFZAI: Although it's a bit late in the day, these things should have happened earlier. Now, eight years after occupation, they could have done some of these things earlier. It would have brought a real change. But even now, if there can be some real economic development, if there is good governance, if the people can find jobs, and most importantly, if the people are given a sense of security, then there could be some change. Taliban really cannot offer all these things. They can offer security. They're very good at providing security. But they cannot offer education, economic development, or anything else. The people would make their choices, but the occupation forces have to be really patient and really kind to the people. Only bear in mind, this operation in Marja and Helmand, 15 civilians have been killed, thousands of people have been displaced. So civilians have suffered more damage than the Taliban. Taliban just retreated. That's why these kind of operations, using massive force and air power, it can cause a lot of collateral damage, and that can actually then create conditions which would be helpful to Taliban, and those conditions would not be very helpful to the foreign troops.
JAY: Now, in terms of the future development, let's say they're serious about it. What do they do about the issue of the drug trade? They're dealing with a government, both in Kabul and in various provinces, which is riddled with corruption because of the size of the drug industry. In Pakistan as well, the corruption and drug business is such a massive undertaking. How do they make any real change if they don't take on the whole issue of drugs?
YUSUFZAI: Most of these people in the government are involved in drug trafficking. Now, they can't really take action against them, because these Afghan warlords are their allies, and they don't want to make more enemies. They're already fighting and facing difficulties in defeating the Taliban. And if they take action against these warlords, most of whom are part of the government, then they would have many more enemies. That's why I think no action has been taken in the last eight years, and that's why there has been record production of opium poppies and a conversion of this opium into heroin. And the narcotics which are produced and smuggled out of Afghanistan is the highest in the world. Figures have been given—it's more than $3 billion worth of drug trafficking. So I think this is huge money. That's why so many people have become involved, including Taliban commanders. Helmand produces most of the opium poppies in Afghanistan. So I think it's going to be a test of the seriousness of the US and NATO forces [inaudible] want to take action against the drug traffickers, because under the watch and in their presence, the poppy cultivation has increased to record levels. The drug trafficking has become rampant. And still only two drug traffickers have been arrested until now in Afghanistan in the last eight years.
JAY: When I was in Afghanistan in the spring of 2002, the hatred for the warlords was almost as strong amongst the people as it was for the Taliban. Is there any real possible change in Afghanistan without, I guess, first and foremost the Afghans, but also the Americans, propping up the warlords? But if people don't take on the warlords, how can this situation change?
YUSUFZAI: You know, these warlords were defeated by the Taliban fairly easily, because people hated them in the mid-1990s, and that's why people welcomed the Taliban at that time. Taliban then also became more different. There were like the warlords: they also were using force to force themselves on the people. So people in Afghanistan actually don't like [inaudible] government whether they are mujahideen, Taliban, or the warlords. The warlords were brought back into power by the US, and that is one reason why people did not really like this action by the Americans, and that's why there was opposition to the foreign forces: they brought back the same old corrupt warlords who had committed human rights violations. I think that there is a need for a real change of policy concerning these warlords and drug traffickers; otherwise, all these people who have been accused of human rights abuses, they're still part of the government. In fact, the two vice presidents to Hamid Karzai, Mohammad Qasim Fahim and Karim Khalili, both have been accused of human rights violations. And President Karzai's brother, Wali Karzai, has been accused by The New York Times of involvement in drug trafficking. Many ministers, many police chiefs, many people who are part of the ruling elite actually have been accused of human rights violations and drug trafficking. So if you have such a government, I don't think that it can raise the confidence of the common people in their government. I don't think that people can hope for a real change as long as these people are part of the government.
JAY: Thanks very much for joining us.
YUSUFZAI: Thank you.
JAY: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.
Source: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?Itemid=74&id=31&jumival=4844&option=com_content&task=view
Heres an interesting poll, it wont be to the liking of anti american bigots like qila whom try and pretend that they are concerned with muslims across the world whereas in reality they are only guided by their hatred of the US and if they have to spit in the eye of the afghan people so be it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_01_10_afghanpoll.pdf
This poll shows that most afghans feel that the war is justified, it also shows that 90% of afghans would rather the current government rule afghanistan instead of the taliban.
John Hopkins University released a report which showed that 40,000 more afghans are alive each year since the removal of the taliban, UNICEF has also stated that the infant mortality rate has improved by 25%
That strongly implies that this poll was taken only by civilians living in cities. If so, it is almost entirely irrelevant. The people in the cities mostly supported the soviet occupation too, but it didn't keep the mujahedin from winning.
These results don't imply that it was only done in cities, the taliban only have a significant control of 10% of the country according to experts such as juan cole, so one should expect around 80% or so afghans to report a weak taliban presence
Your confused, I never claimed that the poll said control, secondly yes i do believe that the taliban only have a weak presence in 80% of the country due to the fact that most afghans who are the best to judge the situation think so. Also even the largest estimates given for the size of the insurgency indicate that the taliban would only have enough numbers to have a significant control over a minor amount of territory.
The US is indeed having a difficult time but the taliban have been unable to rally the afghan population to support them, because of this a taliban victory is unlikey.
even once, that Iraqi politics played any part whatesoever in the removal of troops from Iraq? The deadline was always that time so that just prior to mid-term elections the Dems would get the huge boost of returning the heros home for Christmas, or Thanksgiving or whatever slogan they feel best helps the polls.
If you did, wake up!
Just like healthcare. Done up so that it can be crowed about in the hopes of retaining seats in the HoR and the Senate.
Obama isn't the world changer everyone blindly hoped for after the Bush administration, but he is still the consummate politician that got him into office in the first place.
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