Shunning non-democracies and other things that never happened

Mon, 06/01/2009 - 8:56pm

By Christian Brose

I'll have something more thought-out to say soon about President Obama's upcoming speech in Cairo. But in the meantime, I just can't resist chiming in on this comment from Obama today:

We can stand up for human rights, stand up for democracy. But I think it's a mistake for us to somehow suggest that we're not going to deal with countries around the world in the absence of their meeting all our criteria for democracy.

Wha? Who exactly does he mean by "us"? I imagine he's referring to the Bush administration's knuckle-dragging unwillingness to deal with the undemocratic governments of, say, China, Russia, Vietnam, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and most of the other states in Central Asia and the Middle East. And obviously, not having official diplomatic relations with undemocratic governments like Cuba, Iran, and North Korea was a development of the past eight years. But what does it matter anyway, because the previous crowd didn't talk to the Iranians about Iraq or Afghanistan, nor the North Koreans about their nuclear proliferation. And of course, when the Bush administration did engage and build relationships of necessity with non-democratic governments like Musharraf's Pakistan or Putin's Russia, it was all raucous applause and praise for its subtle, shades-of-gray realism from the other side of the aisle, right? Does that about cover it?

Sorry to seem testy and bitter, but we'll never have a serious approach to the complex issue of balancing interests and values in our foreign policy, as well as the trade-offs between them, if we continue to traffic in baseless caricatures like this. If these are the assumptions that will inform Obama's Cairo speech, to say nothing of his foreign policy, then this will be quite disappointing.

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This is why I've always

This is why I've always thought some honesty is called for. Can we just say what we're up, rather than wrap it up in some type of bullshit? It seems like our basic strategy is to talk to everyone, tell lots of good things, then ignore everybody when we make our decisions anyways. Better not to get other countries' hopes up.

Take a deep breath Mr. Brose

Touchy, aren't we.

You're quite right that lack of normal relations with Cuba, Iran and N. Korea is not a development of the last 8 years. So why do you presume that Obama's comment is specifically directed at the Bush administration?

Obama has been criticized for softening toward Cuba. Quite possibly he will face similar criticism in the future on Iran (which is, I note, in the midst of a tightly contested presidential election). Is this not a reasonable response?

The criticism of Bush was never that he would not deal with non-democracies; it was his hypocrisy in proclaiming the centrality of democratic transformation in his foreign policy, and then failing to deal with democratic governments he didn't like while doing little to push friendly autocratic governments.

As to the specifics of your comment -
The Bush administration dealt with Syria to a significant extent? Notwithstanding Maher Arar, that would be a surprise to those who pushed for Bush to include Syria in discussions about the future of Iraq.

Really, all in all, an uncharacteristic outburst for you.

Not so uncharacteristic for SG as a whole, sadly. Frankly, you guys do far too much whining about perceived slights to the Bush administration's foreign policy and far to little policy development appropriate to the name Shadow Government.

Second

I'm sorry to say that I agree with this comment. Having caused one disaster after another during his first term, Bush and his team are unlikely ever to get a lot of credit for the damage control done during his second.

That's just life. A baseball team that loses a hundred games doesn't get judged on what it accomplishes in the last two weeks of September. It's fair enough to observe that some of the criticisms of Bush's administration now being leveled by its critics are unfair or simplistic, but the observation begs the question: So what?

If the point is to caution the Obama administration against believing too much of its own campaign rhetoric as it pursues its foreign policy, fine. If the point is instead merely to defend the record of a President who failed the country as badly as any in living memory, tough. Rather than complain about how unfairly the last administration's critics are judging its foreign policy, Mr. Brose would do better to thank them for not mentioning the economy.

And another thing

How come Peter Feaver has comments turned off on his latest post? That one really, really merits a response.

I assumed that was why, that

I assumed that was why, that he didn't want to see the comments he'd get from people who thought it really, really merited them.

But it might be some other reason like he just forgot and closed comments by accident. I considered asking him, but the comments are closed....

"I SAID, you have a banana in your ear."
"What? I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear."