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Steve Walt does it again
By Christian Brose
Steve Walt asks what if the shoe were on the other foot in the Middle East - what if the Arabs had won the Six Day War, expelled most of the Jews, and allowed the Palestinians to set up a state of their own, leaving a million-plus stateless Jews holed up in Gaza, who then turn to Hamas-style violence. Would the United States consider them terrorists?
Well, for the sake of fairness, let's play the thought experiment all the way through.
Imagine that, after pushing the Jews out of Israel, the new state of Palestine attempted to give the Jews a peaceful path toward a state of their own, with control over their own institutions of governance and security. (Stay with me here; as Walt says, this is a thought experiment.) Then imagine, to run the place, the Palestinians turn to a particularly odious Jew who made his bones killing Palestinian civilians. This leader of the Gaza Jews then promises U.S. and world leaders that he's cracking down on those hardline Orthodox folks who Walt mentions. But what he's really doing is telling them out the other side of his mouth that the final battle is near, smuggling in weapons, and encouraging the violent radicalization of the Jewish youth.
In another attempt to resolve the conflict peacefully, the Palestinians offer this Jewish leader a state for his people in virtually all of Gaza, plus some of Palestine proper. Though not perfect, this is about the best offer the Jews could realistically hope for, and this Jewish leader leaves it on the table, just walks away. He then encourages those Orthodox Jews to wage a full-scale guerilla war on the Palestinian population - blowing up men, women, and children in pizza parlors, on buses, and during Iftaar dinners.
Then imagine that, after surviving this onslaught, a Palestinian leader, the one the Jews reviled as the worst monster of their 1967 expulsion, up and pulls the Palestinian settlers and military occupation units out of much of Gaza. Just leaves. Just gives the land back to the Jews. And not a moment later, these same Orthodox Jews are firing rockets by the hundreds into Palestinian towns and cities -- rockets they mostly get, by the way, from a state that seeks to wipe Palestine off the map -- with no other purpose than to kill and maim as many civilians as possible. After a brief but blessed cease-fire, these Jews break it off and start the rocket fire all over again.
So to answer Walt's theoretical question - would the United States consider these Orthodox Jews "terrorists" and support Palestine's right to defend itself? I'd sure as hell hope so.
But then again, in a world where all questions of justice boil down to interest-group politics, I guess the answer is, of course not, right?






"Just leaves." ...? Really?
"Just leaves." ...? Really? Is that what Israel did? They just turned their backs and walked away?
I take your point on Walt, but do you really think that Israel had no de facto power over Gaza?
Hiding from the question
I don't think that Mr. Brose's post is a fair response to Mr. Walt.
He could have simply said that there is too much history left out of Mr. Walt's hypothetical question, and that that made it unfair. That opens up the discussion to how much of the history needs to be included to make the question fair. But he didn't do that.
I think that Mr. Walt has a fair response to Mr. Brose here, namely that he (Walt) left out too much of the history, that his version it too one-sided. So, you see, Mr. Brose's response is just as guilty of what he accuses Mr. Walt of doing. And that is unfair.
Instead, Mr. Brose could have made a perfectly valid response to Mr. Walt's hypothetical, and ALSO explain that there are lots of things left out the history. He could have said that he believes that the key issues that Walt left out were A, B & C. But if he were being fair, he would also have to acknowledge that there are some issues that ought to be considered that mitigate the situation to some degree.
There are lots of my problems with my answer to Mr. Walt in the comments over there , but I did not try to shout him out of the room.
I don't think that it does FP any good to have this kind of rediculous...I don't even know what to call it. This is not dialogue. This is not discourse. This is not reasoned. This does not advance anything, and does not have any chance of convincing anyone of anything.
I think that Walt is wrong on the substance. But I don't think the Brose has done anything to show anyone that who didn't already think so for themselves. And his kind of response just hardens those who disagree with him, the opposite of what he should be trying to do.
Really?
So, of course, Israel has not walked away. It has not granted Gaza more than token autonomy. It has not abided by its promise to allow passage into and out of Gaza. And it has continued to expand settlements in the West Bank.